These Things Happened, Then They Moved

The Clearing is a podcast that covers the story of a woman who put the pieces together and figured out her father was a the-clearing-podcastserial killer.

Forty-year-old April Balascio uncovered several stories, put the pieces together of her childhood and realized her father, Edward Wayne Edwards, was a serial killer. In 2009, she turned him in to the cops and didn’t talk to anyone about the story until 2016.

The Clearing podcast host, Josh Dean who is also a journalist and author, joins Mary Payne and explains the journey that April went through from having the suspicion that her father might be a serial killer to unraveling the puzzle pieces that ultimately led her to turn her own father in.

Josh reveals that this story was easy to tell and capture in podcast form due to the mere fact that Edward had recorded everything that he did. Josh speculates that this was due to Edward’s narcissism and the grandiose view he had of himself. 

They discuss the various murders and the coincidences that April discovered prior to turning Edward into the police. After much investigation, Edward eventually confessed to two double murders and the murder of a man nicknamed “Danny Boy.” 

Mary Payne and Josh talk about the punishment that Edward wanted for his crimes and the lengths he went to in order to achieve it. Was he wanting to continue to manipulate the system the way he had his whole life or was it him accepting his punishment? Josh makes a convincing argument for the outcome being exactly what Edward wanted. Be sure to go and listen to The Clearing!

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Find Josh Dean at:

Instagram/Twitter: @joshdean66

Find April Balascio at:

Twitter: @BalascioApril

Magic Shows, Cub Petting, and Murder

The story told on the podcast Over My Dead Body: Joe Exotic is a story so crazy it is hard to believe that it is real. In this episode of Payne in the Pod, host Robert Moor, joins Mary Payne. joe-exotic

Joe Exotic is a gay polygamous zookeeper in rural Oklahoma who bred and rescued lions, tigers, ligers, and exotic big cats. He traveled with these big cats and put on shows where he would charge visitors to pet the baby cubs. Carole Baskin, the owner of a big cat sanctuary in Florida, became one of his enemies and is who he is convicted of hiring two men to kill.

Robert takes Mary Payne through his experience of spending time with Joe. He includes everything from his time at the zoo, to extreme things he caught him saying on tape and to his current trial. Was it trauma in Joe’s life and his self-image that led him to spiral out of control or was it simply his boosted ego?

Carole Baskin of Florida

Mary Payne and Robert then touch on Carole Baskin. She is a woman who ran away at a young age, lived fairly rough for a few years, was in an out of horrible relationships, was married three times, and one of her husbands randomly disappears. Carole did not think that Joe Exotic was treating his animals with respect, but the two have many similarities. Were Carole and Joe a match made in heaven to be enemies?

Throughout the crazy story surrounding Joe Exotic, the craziest part may be what ultimately brought him down and lead him to jail. Robert and Mary Payne discuss the irony of the situation and updates to the other characters in the story.

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Find Robert Moor at:

Twitter: @robertmoor_

Connecting With Strangers

An unidentified man who went by the name Sixty-Six Garage had been kept alive via life support in a nursing home for 15 years when Joanne Faryon learned about him. Her podcast, Room 20, covers her time with him.



After her mother’s death, LA Times’ investigative journalist and reporter, Joanne, began reporting about end-of-life topics. During that time, she was researching the number of people that were kept alive in a vegetative state which is what brought her to the nursing home that Sixty-Six Garage resided in. Joanne shares with Mary Payne how she came to know Sixty-Six Garage, the mission she began to figure out exactly who he was and to connect with his family, and how she started Room 20.

Visiting Those in Nursing Homes

Later in their discussion, Mary Payne and Joanne go into the story of one of Sixty-Six Garage’s roommates in Room 20 named Omar. Omar had been in an accident where he was run over by multiple vehicles and was in bad shape. Joanne happened to be visiting Sixty-Six Garage one day when Omar moved and began his recovery. Was it Joanne just happening to be in the right place at the right time? This story of Omar prompts the ladies to talk about individuals who are being kept alive who have few or no visitors at all. They ask the hard question if we are keeping people alive should we have people to sit and visit with them?

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Find Joanne Faryon and Room 20 at:

Twitter: @JoanneFaryon

OJ Simpson Story Being Confronted

More than twenty years since the death of her brother, Confronting: OJ Simpson podcast host, Kim Goldman sits down with Mary Payne to chat about her experience.confronting-oj-podcast

If you were alive in 1995, it is likely that you, at some point, caught a glimpse or heard bits and pieces about OJ Simpson’s murder trial. OJ Simpson was accused of killing his ex-wife, Nicole Brown Simpson and her friend Ron Goldman. Twenty-four years later, Ron’s sister, Kim Goldman, has finally decided to talk about the trial and her experience during it in her podcast Confronting: OJ Simpson. 


For this episode, Mary Payne and Kim discuss all the various players in the trial that she talked to and who declined to be a part of her podcast. Notably, Kim sits down with two of the jurors that ultimately found OJ Simpson not guilty. She shares with Mary Payne that she was apprehensive about going into the meeting with them. This leads Mary Payne and Kim to talk about the sequester of the jurors that took place, as well as some of the outings they had. They question how ethical some of the events that took place were.


Kim shares with Mary Payne the one main player from the trial that declined her an interview for her podcast and they discuss his role in the trial and his motives. 


Mary Payne and Kim also talk about the defense’s Private Investigator, Pat McKenna, who believes wholeheartedly that OJ Simpson is not guilty. 


While OJ was the topic for the first season of Confronting, Kim is hoping to cover more stories that have had a great social impact on society. Mary Payne and her ponder possible topics for future seasons of the podcast. 


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Find Confronting OJ at:

Facebook/Instagram/Twitter: @KimEGoldman

Facebook/Instagram/Twitter: @confrontingpod

Sleepless Nights Thanks To True Crime

Scott Benjamin, host of true crime podcast, Insomniac, shares with Mary Payne the stories behind his sleepless nights.

With so many true crime podcasts to listen to, have you ever wondered how the hosts mentally handle the dark, twisted, and sometimes gruesome stories themselves? insomniac-podcast

For Insomniac host, Scott Benjamin, it has not been an easy experience. Mary Payne is joined by Scott and his producer Matt Frederick, on this episode of Payne in the Pod. Scott has always had an interest in all things true crime, which led him to research many different stories, killers, and unsolved crimes. But which also led to many sleepless nights.

Unhealthy Sleep Habits

Scott, Matt, and Mary Payne talk about the problems with immersing oneself into case after case, and how it’s affected Scott’s health. They confess that it is hard not to get consumed by the stories that they cover, and for Scott, the stories resulted in very vivid and disturbing nightmares.


Insomniac is not only a true crime podcast but also a podcast where Scott’s struggles are interwoven, which makes for an interesting twist to the average true crime podcast. His use of over-the-counter and prescription drugs, psychologist and psychiatrist visits, sleep home studies and even his sleep apnea are all part of the personal stories that he shares.


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Find Insomniac at:

Facebook/Twitter: @insmoniacpod

Instagram: @insomniacpodcast

Matt: Conspiracy Stuff